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Welcome to San Stefanos (NW Corfu) => San Stefanos news and views => Topic started by: Zimmer on July 12, 2009, 10:56:50 AM
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Firstly, by way of explanation, part of this will be going on Holidays Uncovered, Watchdog etc but I thought I’d give you SS regulars a preview also I hope you take the review in the way it’s intended and that is through a fresh pair of eyes who hasn’t developed what I call “A habit becomes a truth”
I’d been keen on trying out SS for some time, it seemed like our sort of place and the positive comments on various sites also encouraged us.
San Stefanos is located in a shallow valley bordered on three sides by steep hills.The steepness of the hills means that, in summer, only the fittest can walk up them and they aren’t suitable for the less fit among us,but I imagine that for dedicated walkers the surrounding countryside in spring must be wonderful.
It has a nice broad beach with firm sand and , generally, crystal clear waters.
It has been called a quaint fishing village but that must have been a long time ago , this is a dedicated [mainly to the Brits ] holiday resort.
It’s too large to be a village and too small to be a town. It has a plentiful supply of Tavernas and about 3 Supermarkets but few other shops of any interest which can be visited to while away some time.
“What are the locals like”
They seem genuinely friendly ,especially if you make the first contact and are open. They clearly have a vested interest in doing so and can teach us a lot about customer service.
“Where did you stay”
The Rose Garden apartments, run by a lovely and hard working lady - Kiki -
They are some 400 yards from the centre and 600 from the beach and, again, if your at all struggling with fitness, could be a trek in high summer, but I could do with the workout!
The RG is a lovely design chalet building with two floors a decent pool a nice snack area and some lovely gardens both there and surrounding. They put on a dance show and grill once a week and Kiki puts on a terrific home made spread.It’s distance from the Main St means it’s quiet at night
Highly recommended
“What did you do”
We went on three excursions, these were:
>A round the Island coach trip, organised by San Stefanos Travel , lots of additional costs made it an expensive day out and also quite a long one where there was a bit of wasted time. No complaints about SST though who even picked us up and took us to Sidari
> A boat trip to Ericusa Island, not a lot there except a beautiful beach
> And a fun trip on Theo’s Boats, expensive but a great laugh
In hindsight I wished we’d gone on more, if I was new to the Island I definitely would have done so or hired a car for a few days, just to break up what, at times was , for me , a somewhat monotonous routine.
We also hired Quad Bikes to go over to Arillas which is like a miniature version of San Stef.
The main activity seems to be lying around the pool reading, watching waves at the beach and eating. If you don’t drive your pretty much stuck with it
“ What were the Tavernas like”
This depends entirely on how you view eating out and what your expectations are. Most were more than adequate and geared to British perceptions for the tourist, some were inventive and trying to get away from the accepted image - see my Taverna Review
“So who goes to San Stef”
Bearing in mind the time I went it seems to attract middle aged and older couples who are either childless or whose kids have left home or young bucket and spaders who don’t want something as brash as Sidari, it’s definitely a Brit holiday resort.I wish I’d found it when my kids were young and it perhaps wasn’t so commercialised.
“…and overall, good and not so good”
If your idea of a good holiday is mainly lying around getting progressively browner in a familiar and very friendly environment then San Stef is as good as most places I would think, but no different to other medium/small sized resorts like Arillas or Ag Georgios, it’s certainly far better than Sidari or Dassia, but not as upmarket as Kalami or Kassiopi, and I was surprised [and disappointed] by how commercialised and anglicised it was.
Someone described it as “a home from home” it certainly is with Full English breakfasts
[ whats wrong with full Greek ones ?] happy hours, bingo, tribute acts and pub singers you could see in any Brit town on a Friday night. There was no live traditional music or even live contemporary music and an almost totally supine acceptance of giving the English their idea of Greek culture and things they were comfortable with - I swear someone is going to think lifting a table by the teeth is what it’s all about.
So where does San Stef go?, on an individual one to one basis it has great things going for it and an obviously strong base of loyal customers but this onward march of Sidarising it and catering to English requirements is in my opinion just “dumbing” the place down.
“So you wouldn’t go back then?”
Im glad I went I enjoyed my holiday overall and I would like to take the RG and their commitment to customer Service with me but, no I wouldn’t go back , in my opinion there are nicer or just as nice looking places with alternative things to see and do and the Med is a big place [ I only get one shot a year after all ] and the generosity of the Greek people is not confined to San Stef. I might go back when Ive grandchildren, but doubt it.
I hope forum members will accept this in the spirit it’s given
Keith Myrna and Alex
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A fair assessment there Zimmer. But i guess that's why i loved it this June, after a 16 year absence. IMO it's not that easy to find many 'traditional' places in the Med. I'm afraid it's the law of holiday economics. If you don't give the punters what they want they won't come back. And to be fair there are only a few bars in SS where the entertainment is as you describe it.
It hasn't really changed that much since we last visited in 1993 in terms of atmosphere, friendliness, etc. But it certainly is no Sidari (after having travelled thru' their the other week on the coach trip to Corfu Town) and i don't think it will ever get that brash!
If you think San Stef is too commercial try Santorini, where every restaurant tries to alomost 'drag' you into try their establishment!
You might find your more traditional village high up in the mountains of Crete or on a remote greek island, after a couple of boat trips from a main island airport, but to be honest i'd get bored.
"The main activity seems to be lying around the pool reading, watching waves at the beach and eating." - Correct! And that's what my wife and i like to do. Not interested in visiting some old relic or whatever - did all that in the UK when i was a kid, as my parents dragged me away from a kickabout in the street on a sunday afternoon - i vowed never again! Although my only read on holiday is the Daily Mail everyday (now that's progress - used to have to wait until the next day to read the day before's paper!)
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Thanks for the reply Brissle. but it's a little ironic :-\ that you find doing nothing but sit on a beach not to be boring and yet being on a quiet island to be so, isnt that a conradiction? and did I mention relics? no, just somewhere to go to be able to get away from being a lizard for a few hours - each to his own I guess, and you certainly can find places which arent as visibly geared to the British [ however nice the locals ] without having to go to some obscure island or village. You know , somewhere that still has it's roots and values? why do we expect everywhere to become sensitive to British sensibilities? no wonder our use of languages is the worse in Europe - has the Mail told you that ?
And how do you know what the punters want if they arent given a chance to discover the real alternative - it's the economics of dumbing down to the Lowest Common Denominator and catering for the vulgar and shabby, millions of people eat Big Macs too,but it;s not important to them,lets open one in San Stef - law of holiday economics - if your not careful, like someone said...
"Flesh coloured Christ's that glow in the dark"
and I try to avoid newspapers too - especially the Daily Mail :D
Oh and here's a true example - a guy at our apartments complained about a Cockeral crowing at 6 in the morning, he'd only got in at 3!
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Zimmer although you said you enjoyed your holiday I just knew you wouldn't really like SS the way we "regulars" do.It's our choice to go there each year because it's what we want and us "regulars" have found SS to be a brilliant place to relax and indeed to have a really great time in. As we all say though each to there own and at least you have tried it. :)
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Zimmer although you said you enjoyed your holiday I just knew you wouldn't really like SS the way we "regulars" do.It's our choice to go there each year because it's what we want and us "regulars" have found SS to be a brilliant place to relax and indeed to have a really great time in. As we all say though each to there own and at least you have tried it. :)
Quite :-* now how did you know that then? :)I certainly didnt go with any pre-judged notion of not wanting to love it to the extent that you and your pals do or thinking "lets do a hatchet job" I think it's a balanced report from my viewpoint , I really was open-minded, if anything the comments on this site raised expectations, as someone said "your right from your side but i'm right from mine".And I agree with The HU view of the RG being a 10/10 establishment.
Yes, tried it and it was, for me.... ok only,no wow factor for me or my family either.Loved some bits disappointed at other's, thats life and thats holidaymaking and,sorry,I still dont "get it",some people might take that as a personal slight,it's not - nor is my dislike of the Daily Mail and it's views an attack on it's readership, I dont give a ..... what someone reads [as long as they dont foist it's views on me], there is a distinction,really, there is.
Bye
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We steer well clear of any newspaper on holiday, as we don't wish to know what's going on in this "s***" old world of ours especially for the two weeks we are in SanStef. The only exception ever was 09/11 when their was a great long queue to buy any newspaper anyone could get their hands on.
So much so when saw the 09/11 replay on the news in Town Pizza at first, we thought it was a film!
I tend to agree with Zimmer's sentiment here, we have been back every year for 11 years or more. Once you have read your books, done all of the walks for the umpteenth time, been on all the boat trips over the years, driven to Corfu and said hello to everyone you have met over they years their is not a lot left if you don't wish to fry on the beach or by the pool.
However, if you just want to relax, sunbathe and chill out then the place cannot be beaten and I challenge someone to come up with an alternative that offers all that SanStefanos can for the price.
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Hi Zimmer,
I enjoyed reading your review as it always pays to question your own perception.
We get a lot of stick from friends and family because we keep on going to San Steph and the reasons they give are similar to those in your post, however, we still think San Steph in many ways is unique.
We have been to most of the Greek Islands and enjoyed them all but we find many are not as welcoming as they used to be and many lack any Greek Culture at all, but SS its not all Zorbes type music. O Manthos has a brilliant greek night on a Saturday with traditional dancers, we also found live Bazookie music on in the Athens bar - which is much better than the endless Duran Duran we had to listen to on a recent visit to Rhodes!
Rhodes Town or Chania in Crete are often held up as 'real' and 'cultural' Greece but we found both of them aggressively commercialised and as a previous poster said the restaurant owners would drag you off the street and one even became unpleasant when we refused.
You just wouldnt get that in SS.
As you say SS on its own can run out of things to do but Corfu is a wonderful Island and it will take years to explore it all, we always get a car as an alternative to the pool/beach.
So it horses for courses but our next holiday to SS (combined with a week in Paxos) is already in the bag.
Andy
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Hello Zimmer
Having read your report my thoughts are "each to their own" if we all liked the same thing it would be a strange old world to say the least.
Sue
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Thanks Sue - Cant say fairer than that, sure I liked the place just not to the same depth as other people, I'd put it on a par with Carvoeiro where we went last year and I have no intention of going back there either ;) but, to put this into perspective , if I say
"Ugh I hate figs" I'm commenting on the figs and not attacking people who eat them and if I say , to me SS is pretty average , I'm not knocking anyone's taste in going there several times a year , year in year out, so lets agree to disagree and not get too precious about it 8)
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Evening all. Thought i'd wait til i got home to reply to Zimmer.
We loved San Stef. It's just right for us. Not too commercial and so relaxing. Amazing that you mentioned Carvoeiro in your post this afternoon, because me and my wife have been holidaying there for 8 years now, absolutely love it and return there in September for an 11-night stay. Can't wait!
You do love a dig at Daily Mail readers. Been used to that since The Sun changed its alegiance to Labour in 1997. Us DM readers have been the butt of the Guardianista for the last few years!
Oh and believe me i've been to far worse places in the Med and Canaries which really does cater for all types of Brits. By the way i'd hate it if MacDonalds set up shop in San Stef as well!
IMO San Stef is a great place to unwind, relax, have a laugh with the locals and fellow holidaymakers, whatever nationality. It's exactly what we want from a holiday and that's all that matters to us.
Meanwhile i must get back to my evening read of today's Daily Mail, so i can thrust my views on my unsuspecting workmates tomorrow.
Enjoy life, whatever one's outlook!
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only have one thing to say, regarding the comment about SS becoming "Sidarised" and Macdonalds .
These will never happen in SS, as some of our FRIENDS that live there, talk to us about the lifestyle and some of the laws etc - as some of them do actually like to tell us about the Greek way of life and not TRY to be Brits for us - and we are told that they can only build a few private house's in SS from now on, no more Hotels etc, so it will never become a "built up" town.
This news, for some of us, is great, as it will stay as we like it - a piece of paradise to unwind from our hectic work/life styles.
Sarah H
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Hi Andy
Our first ever Greek experience was Kos in 78, at that time the airport was little more than a shed,everywhere was greek music, real grilled meat, fish that were alive prior to being chosen , visits to the kitchen, bartering with a drink in hand,totally magical, but we never went back , why? because we knew it could never maintain that level of realism and why get disappointed, looking at Kos now...looks like our instincts were right.
Places like Thassos and Naxos , Kalymnos, Pserimos,retain that traditional feel..so they are out there. We started going to Corfu principally because we had kids and it was convenient and within our budget, and it is a lovely island, but I think we've exhausted it - except , perhaps the SW - Kassiopi was lovely in 95.Polis on Cyprus really is fantastic in a way you'd enjoy I'm sure.
Being a bit of a muso, the apparent lack of tradional or contemporary Greek music was a disapointment - never mind theres always Darren May ::)
You'll love Paxos, but no sandy beaches
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Hi Sarah,
Glad to hear abot the no new hotels bit. We have also been told that there will never be a Macdonalds in SS. No Sidari-ism for our lovely piece of paradise. ;)
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yeah but Jools dont you think that strip opposite the Thomas Bay is a bit...er..Sidari-ish- whatever?
youve got the Star Bar, bar38,Condor,gladiator bar,Zeus[?]bar in an area about 100 yards long, thats quite a conglomeration of bar's in what is supposedly a "sleepy" resort,maybe it's me but, to my way of thinking, thats pretty built up...I certainly didnt fancy staying in the Thomas Bay or the Barras with all that going on opposite :o
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I don't think that is built up at all when you consider what Sidari is actually like. The bars are not actually one after another and are not Sidari like at all.
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matter of relative and subjective perception I suppose.Half a dozen bars + several hotels/tavernas within a pretty short space seems pretty busy and vibrant, to me,and not my definition of a "sleepy resort" - I was there you know :) ;) but if you consider that quiet then , fine...you could always go up to Tasty Corner [ nice owner btw] or Barcode for some more ;D...oh and theres Acabar and Three W too so, for relative size - because there are only two streets in SS,compared to about 10 in Sidari, it does seem going down the Sidari route, but thats just how I see it, others might think there werent enough :o for instance there were people at the RG who stayed out until past two 02.00. For myself I could have done with half a dozen less bars and Tavernas and more local craft/deli type places.
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Each to there own as we always say. Maybe you need to go on holiday to a Ghost Town lol!!!!!!!!!!! ::)
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maybe ::) maybe it shouldnt be potrayed as a quiet village resort - we arent the types to stay out all night drinking and listening to club acts no wonder people have to sleep all day ;D, maybe SS NE is more our thing...it's a shame,never the twain shall meet , as they say
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Some people are still surprised that you don't often get a sink plug and the showers are cold in the early evening, so what! if you look for the negatives and treat them as an insult to your sensibilities then disappointed will surely follow. p.s. over the last two years we have revisited both Kos and Corfu and had lovely accommodation in country side settings within minutes of Sidari and Kos Town. p.p.s stopped reading the papers when the daily Sketch went out of business.
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oh thats right Patandgra, some people never go back because they cant put paper down the loo, so what? one guy at our apartments complained about the cockeral waking him up for goodness sake, a bit like saying the sky is too blue, but we all draw the line somewhere depending on our own code of expectation...dontchya think? to us that expectation is important to someone else, totally irrelevant...I think what spoilt things a bit for me was the Anglocentricity, but I understand that those things like Full English breakfasts and happy hours etc are necessary to some....thats really all my review is saying, I can only speak in terms of me
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matter of relative and subjective perception I suppose.Half a dozen bars + several hotels/tavernas within a pretty short space seems pretty busy and vibrant, to me,and not my definition of a "sleepy resort" - I was there you know :) ;) but if you consider that quiet then , fine...you could always go up to Tasty Corner [ nice owner btw] or Barcode for some more ;D...oh and theres Acabar and Three W too so, for relative size - because there are only two streets in SS,compared to about 10 in Sidari, it does seem going down the Sidari route, but thats just how I see it, others might think there werent enough :o for instance there were people at the RG who stayed out until past two 02.00. For myself I could have done with half a dozen less bars and Tavernas and more local craft/deli type places.
Hi Zimmer,
You have a point but its not just the number of bars that matter (Parga has loads and you cant say thats British!) but the type of bars and the people that visit them.
In 4 weeks in San Steph I have only seen one case of someone being visibly drunk, I doubt whether that would be the case in Sidari.
Andy
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I think the "regulars" of San Stef need to chill a little.
I think Zimmers assessment is pretty accurate.
It is not a quiet village as some people make out and is far more commercial than I expected from reading this forum.
Having said that, it is still as brit resorts go, a very small and quiet resort.
I loved my holiday as did my partner, partly due to the fact 4 weeks ago, she was having major surgery and because it suited us down to the ground. The holiday only cost us £600 and was exceptional value for money.
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To Zimmer
As a San Stef regular of advancing years I agree wholeheartedly with previous posters who said amongst others when commenting on your post, never the twain shall meet, its good that we all don't like the same thing etc etc. I'm at an age where I don't give a monkey's about what people think however, as a San Stef regular I'm a little put out by your comments. I shouldn't be, but I am (tragic or what).
I've only been on these boards for 18 months or so and in that time I've seen posts on where's the best place to eat, what's the worst meal you've ever had, who does the best breakfast, posts with reference to all the bars - which is the best/worst, walks over to Arillas, using the ATM etc etc and I could go on and on, and as you drew reference to these boards as the reason for trying San Stef I'm surprised that you were disappointed.
After reading what I and others read on these boards why were you surprised by anything you saw or experienced? You would have known that you could get an English breakfast if you wanted one, you would have known about the taverna's and bars and which did what etc (bingo, karaoke, quiz night's), you would have known that San Stef is smaller than a town but bigger than a village, you would have known that most of the holidaymakers there are British, you would have known that its not the Greece/Corfu of 30 years ago and won't be again etc.
As you knew all this in advance I'm surprised you went. One question for you, why would you go somewhere which has everything you don't like? Baffles me that.
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Sorry Ironsider, but I wasnt disappointed per se, and if you really read what I wrote you'd see -- I loved the appartments we stayed at, the beach, quite a few Tavernas , the weather, the rural setting where we were...yes I knew what to expext --but only to some extent because a message board cannot give a full flavour of a place especially one that's so clearly biased in favour,I didnt expect the preference of UK pub acts over local talent, and I didnt expect- from descriptions given - to see quite so many bars, maybe my preconception was hopelessly wrong. Just because I wont return doesnt mean I was disappointed with every aspect which is what you seem to imply,personally I think your a bit cheesed off because someone doesnt have the same rose tinted SS specs on as you and a few others, nice place but - AND I STRESS ONCE MORE - in my opinion not as brilliant as the propaganda portrayed , and as I havent read every single posting and thread over the last 18 months I wouldnt have known that it's lost quite a bit of it's Greekness,finally it doesnt have "everything" I dislike - frankly I dont see why I have to defend my opinion anyway,we chose the place principally:
a) It didnt sound from blurbs like a commercialised resort
b] It sounded like a fairly low key place within a nice setting
c]I could get there from my local airport
d] I could afford it
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Well as I have said before - all are entitled to their own opinion - mine - I still love the place - the people make it and are great!!
There is a noisy half to S S and a fairly quiet half - so everyone should find their little piece of heaven.
If not - there are quieter resorts and noiser ones, try St George in the South (v/quiet) or Kavos (vomit and 18-30 sick club heaven)!!
Corfu has it all - me - I like it in SAN STEF!!
No point in being neggie - everywhere has good and bad points about it!!
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Myself and my wife loved San Stef. We like a few lively bars, so we can have a laugh, singalong, dance, meet similar people. the great thing about San Stef is that it isn't 'over the top' on that front.
It's just right for those of us who don't want to bump into hoardes of drunken idiots stumbling from bar to bar with no respect for anyone or anything. Did bump into a few 'stumblers' on their way back to their hotel for a nightcap or three, but it was very civil with a "goodnight" exchange or people just having a laugh. Nothing wrong in that!
We don't work long and hard to go on hols and retire to bed by 10.30!
As an earlier member said you knew that San Stef had its fair share of bars like The Condor, so why go there at all if you don't like? In fact, why keep visiting the forum of a resort if it's not your 'cup of tea'? I wouldn't bother if i found it was a place i didn't really like.
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Well as I have said before - all are entitled to their own opinion - mine - I still love the place - the people make it and are great!!
There is a noisy half to S S and a fairly quiet half - so everyone should find their little piece of heaven.
If not - there are quieter resorts and noiser ones, try St George in the South (v/quiet) or Kavos (vomit and 18-30 sick club heaven)!!
Corfu has it all - me - I like it in SAN STEF!!
No point in being neggie - everywhere has good and bad points about it!!
Hi again - Myrna and I were discussing this, yes there are parts to get away from the "in your face" stuff [ though even that isnt as bad as people might think I've painted it ] to be honest I think we're suffering a bit from Corfu burn out...you know, been there , done that. If we are to be confined to sitting by a pool most of the time, because we've exhausted the excursions over the years or dont drive then it may as well be somewhere more [ and this isnt meant to sound snobbish really ] like the old Greece we loved before "happy hours" etc and this globalisation of tourism , we have considered S George, or SS NE....but now things are changing for us, I suspect we'll be trying the less well known or visited islands, and, of course your dead right , there are good and bad points, my aim was to bring out what I perceived of each
Glad to see you back on line
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Myself and my wife loved San Stef. We like a few lively bars, so we can have a laugh, singalong, dance, meet similar people. the great thing about San Stef is that it isn't 'over the top' on that front.
It's just right for those of us who don't want to bump into hoardes of drunken idiots stumbling from bar to bar with no respect for anyone or anything. Did bump into a few 'stumblers' on their way back to their hotel for a nightcap or three, but it was very civil with a "goodnight" exchange or people just having a laugh. Nothing wrong in that!
We don't work long and hard to go on hols and retire to bed by 10.30!
As an earlier member said you knew that San Stef had its fair share of bars like The Condor, so why go there at all if you don't like? In fact, why keep visiting the forum of a resort if it's not your 'cup of tea'? I wouldn't bother if i found it was a place i didn't really like.
groan.......righto...whatever.....yes, next time I'll use a crystal effin' ball - I never ever said I didnt like it!only aspects which werent "my cup of tea" what is wrong with you?? stop mis-representing me, its very Daily Mailish ,yes there arent drunken hordes, and if I go to bed at 11,00 it doesnt mean I dont work hard,who knows maybe theres a reason?why should I stay up?, I might need some rest? and dont worry I shant be hanging around with people who dont tolerate alternative views,maybe it's livened up the place rather than being a little...smug?
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My goodness what is going on here? where is the voice of reason.?
In the scale of things, does it matter that people have different perceptions on life and what it has to offer.
So "the man next door" does not like the same type of car or holiday as you, live with it !!
Life is too short for all this type of banter.
Turn over the page and start a new chapter!!! Please
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You are right Sue. :) Can we all get back on an even keel and make this site the happy place it used to be because at the moment it is not a happy site. :( :(
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I second that as I am getting totally fed up with all of this bickering. I looked on the Agni forum last night and what a calm and peaceful place it was.
San Stef is such a nice friendly resort, its a shame that this is not reflected in the forum lately.
Admin
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Theres a couple of sayings
"Shoot the messenger" and "one should never be where one does not belong" so , being as I'm a disruptive influence, to the San Stef Appreciation Society,I'll log out, and trust you all have wonderful holidays now and in the future - Well I know you will ;) :D :) and I've been taught an interesting lesson too.
So Bon Voyage :-*
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I am sad to see someone else with a valuable contribution to make after their holiday feel this way. If we all liked the same thing this world would be a very boring place!
Remember that this is a holiday forum, where everyone's and I mean everyone's opinion counts.
Admin
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My goodness what is going on here? where is the voice of reason.?
In the scale of things, does it matter that people have different perceptions on life and what it has to offer.
So "the man next door" does not like the same type of car or holiday as you, live with it !!
Life is too short for all this type of banter.
Turn over the page and start a new chapter!!! Please
Oh dear! Ive listened and observed all the posts..........
If someone isnt keen on a place you dont go back.........if you love the place that much, you go back,simple!
We wouldnt be thinking of returning if it was as sleepy as the brochures made out.....it was only on looking on here that we realised that yes its a quieter place then some but not a grave yard! We have had holidays and had great nightlife, had an amazing time and probably gone over the top a bit but felt we needed a holiday to get over it when we got back. Here in San stef we thought , just had enough nightlife to keep us entertained without going mad and yes I certainly felt relaxed when we got home. So in a nutshell..yes it is sleepy from our point of view, but not sleepy that we would be bored out of our skulls! We will be back!!! ;) ;D
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Problem; after all these posts I'm so confused I can't remember if San Stef ticks all the boxes for me! ???
Solution; I'm just gonna have to go back in 12 days time to check it out again! :)
Zimmer, in parting, hope you and your family have many great hols in the future but as BD said "The Times They are a Changing". Also, thanks for the Beachcomber waitress info. Yammas.
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i too agree , its each to their own and it is a site for passing on information or opinion.........HOWEVER.......
is there any need for this person to be quite so rude, obnoxious and insulting to people ????
No i don't think so, so i for one am glad if they have decided to leave the forum.
Sarah H
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ShellBell...your post earlier this afternoon summed up San Stef perfectly for me and my wife.
I will hold my hands up to the rest of the forum and say 'i took the bait' on a number of occasions in the last few days and let myself get drawn into what turned into something more than a civilised discussion on the pros and cons of holidaying in San Stef! For that i apologise.
I suppose i felt some of the comments about San Stef which weren't so complimentary just kept getting repeated and it just hacked me off, after we had such a great time there a couple of weeks ago. (yes, everyone's entitled to their opinion, but to keep on about the things that were/are 'wrong' was just getting tedious).
I will say once again that i really valued everyone's insight into what San Stef was about when i was asking questions before we actually visited, because it really painted a pretty accurate picture of SS....quiet, relaxed in the day...chilled with something for all tastes by evening. Plus, great people, both Greeks and tourists, just welcoming us and laughing with us!
Cheers BB
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I don't think Zimmer was that bad, sometimes I feel we take some posts too personally, especially when you love SS!!
What I like about this forum is that we can post both positive and negative reviews. The Agni site has started removing posts which have the slightest criticism of Corfu. This to me is wrong. How can people make an informed decision about a place if all they read is how wonderful everything is?
I know a negative thread can make peoples passions boil, but as long as we do not cause offence or make things personal, I believe we are all entitled to our own opinion.
The world is not perfect - and although I love SS to bits, I can understand some people not 'getting it'.
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I know a negative thread can make peoples passions boil, but as long as we do not cause offence or make things personal, I believe we are all entitled to our own opinion.
The world is not perfect - and although I love SS to bits, I can understand some people not 'getting it'.
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TOTALLY AGREE
Helen
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have to agree with sue we all like or dislike different things i hated the fortune telling thing outside the thomas bay but i bet there is someone who loves it i know things have been tense and not everyone likes the banter but please can we have a little bit off fun back with all the info we are all here for the same reason we all like or love san stef
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I'm not 100% sure but on the Agni site I think they were or almost sued because of someones posting. Not sure what it was about though.
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I shouldnt be here but thanks to Gilly for her support and does this response to Tony sound obnoxious and personal?
Well as I have said before - all are entitled to their own opinion - mine - I still love the place - the people make it and are great!!
There is a noisy half to S S and a fairly quiet half - so everyone should find their little piece of heaven.
If not - there are quieter resorts and noiser ones, try St George in the South (v/quiet) or Kavos (vomit and 18-30 sick club heaven)!!
Corfu has it all - me - I like it in SAN STEF!!
No point in being neggie - everywhere has good and bad points about it!!
my reply
"Hi again - Myrna and I were discussing this, yes there are parts to get away from the "in your face" stuff [ though even that isnt as bad as people might think I've painted it ] to be honest I think we're suffering a bit from Corfu burn out...you know, been there , done that. If we are to be confined to sitting by a pool most of the time, because we've exhausted the excursions over the years or dont drive then it may as well be somewhere more [ and this isnt meant to sound snobbish really ] like the old Greece we loved before "happy hours" etc and this globalisation of tourism , we have considered S George, or SS NE....but now things are changing for us, I suspect we'll be trying the less well known or visited islands, and, of course your dead right , there are good and bad points, my aim was to bring out what I perceived of each"
However I really dont like being misrepresnted, thats all and will defend myself, people just saw the criticism from my viewpoint and didnt like it,thats their perogative I'm a big boy and can take it,I think you may find the board becoming a wee bit anodyne if no is allowed to voice concerns....and this really is goodbye, my edited report has been posted on three holiday sites
have a great future hols everyone
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Having gone through this thread a couple of times,just to try and make some sense of it i can only support Zimmer in his effort to defend his right to air his opinion ,which was a lot more informative than a lot of the stuff on this sit(which ifeel would be better posted on Facebook).I think some people have lost sight of the fact that this is supposed to be a "holiday" website and the forum for exchanging information about San Stefanos and not a place to launch attacks on someones honest opinion.Ihope to meet some of you in september and have a laugh but until then i think i will give this site a rest till it restores some sense of what it should be about.
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Patandgra, I couldn't agree more and members should not lose site of the fact that this is a "holiday" website and forum for exchanging information about SanStefanos.
Topic closed for new posts, lets all move on....................