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Welcome to San Stefanos (NW Corfu) => San Stefanos news and views => Topic started by: WinJ on September 16, 2013, 06:16:42 PM
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Hi, this is my first post on this forum.
We have been coming to San Stefanos for 8 consecutive years and returned last Monday having enjoyed a fabulous 10 days.
The only thing that spoiled it was the smoking in the tavernas and it seems to be getting worse. We were in Yiannis one night and four people on the next table smoked continuously all through the meal. Little Prince was another taverna where people seemed to smoke continuously, as against previous years when it was one cigarette at the end of a meal when most people had finished their meals. We ate at Olympia 3 times and did not see (or smell) one smoker.
I really do think it is about time the taverna owners had smoking and non-smoking sections and ask as you enter which you prefer.
Sorry to bring up this controversial topic again, as I seem to remember a heated discussion some time ago but I do think a solution should be found, as leaving it to the discretion and courteousness of the people who smoke does not seem to be working.
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Ding ding! Round two! And it's Jimbo in the red corner wearing his little puple number shorts, undefeated now for about twenty nine years up against ........................, to be continued. ;)
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im off.get the ice ready...
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Presumably, WinJ, you went to these obnoxious people and asked if they'd mind refraining? If not - tough.
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Jimbo -I did not want to spoil the evening, as one 'smart Alec' reply such as yours and my husband might have up-ended their table!
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Jimbo moving around the ring effortlessly, using his left jab to maximum effect.
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Winj catches Jimbo with a low blow.
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What we've noticed is the huge number of people using the electronic ones instead, even Dimitri in Little Prince has one
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I'm pouring an ale and sitting back........
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Jimbo - Just to clarify - I did not use the term 'obnoxious', that was your interpretation of them. I said 'discourteous'.
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Personally, I always try to sit downwind of other tables unless the slightly up-wind table has fags on it.
At Little Prince, the tables on the upper level have very big gaps between them, and we always try to sit there. Taking account of the distance between tables and the wind direction strikes me as reasonably courteous. If sharing with non-smokers I will always ask if they mind, and not throw a tantrum if they say that they do. Various forum members will agree with this.
What I don't like is sanctimonious non-smokers not pointing out that they have a problem and moaning afterwards. And, as a previous message implies, dreaming of fantasy, discourteous, and violent behaviour when a couple of civilised words would have solved it.
Nafsika has a large and generally under-populated non-smoking area.
As for "smart-Alec" - plainly you don't like ever to be challenged.
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Jimbo wins the first round rather easily and his trainer lilly is whispering encouragement in his ear. The towel man/woman debra is looking rather smug.
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The referee Caz has had a word with both fighters to try and keep the fight fair. However, it looks like both competitors are going to go full on. This could get ugly.
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Oh no,not again.This has been done to death. ::)
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Jimbo - Point 1 - We were not asked if we minded.
Point 2 - Sanctimonious I am not, and what 'dreaming of fantasy' implies, I have no idea.
As for not liking to be challenged, pot and kettle spring to mind.
What I did hope for when I posted was some constructive answers as to how to solve the problem. Obviously this is not going to happen with Jimbo shooting down anyone on this forum in flames if they dare to have a difference of opinion. Did anyone consider the proposition of smoking and non-smoking sections of the tavernas or is this a point scoring discussion only.
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WINKIE - You're right. This debate is a a stub in the ashtray.
Jimbo - Point 1 - We were not asked if we minded.
Point 2 - Sanctimonious I am not, and what 'dreaming of fantasy' implies, I have no idea.
As for not liking to be challenged, pot and kettle spring to mind.
Point 1 : I assume they weren't at your table.
Point 2 : Read the entire sentence, not just the first clause. It does make a difference.
I wasn't there, so I don't qualify for pot or kettle. You didn't make a request, did you? Are you incapable of a polite request?
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It's the the end of the fourth round and Winj is yelling at her trainer Sellsy. Sellsy's right hand man Rover is pleading with Winj to keep calm. "We can still win this" he tells Winj. Jimbo has been "showboating" and it has not gone down too well with Winj's supporters. Come on! ;D
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I have also been called "sanctimonious"' by Jimbo in a previous thread on smoking. He seems to like the reference! The fact is that smoking is not allowed in "enclosed public areas" in Greece. It is not the place of customers to enforce the law, it is the owners who should do this. The distance between tables is of no relevance.
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The Little Prince used to have 'No Smoking' tables - but they were usually empty.
On a busy night you would see people walk in, spot the sign on the table and hesitate. The sign was then swiftly removed and the people would then sit down :)
Smoking is part of the Greek psych and I think it will be a long time before they try and enforce no smoking rules again.
Being a smoker (quickly dives under the table), I love Greece as for once I am not huddled outside trying to grab a crafty smoke - although since the ban in this country we rarely go out now and prefer to entertain at home.
I, like Jimbo try to think of others, but sometimes when deep in conversation you may not be aware that your cigarette is annoying someone else. As Jimbo says - all it takes is a polite word!
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Don't be naughty, Rod.
Does "... my husband might have up-ended their table!" count as courteous?
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Rover - I only use the word "sanctimonious" when it's appropriate.
The law in Greece, as here, states that one may smoke in a non-enclosed space. It follows that owners are fulfilling the law by permitting it in non-enclosed spaces. Duh!
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Sorry Jimbo, I got carried away. :-[
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Actually Jimbo it's not as simple as that over here. It has to have a % of non enclosed space not further than a certain distance away from a certain point.
When I worked for Carlsberg I went with some customers to Glasgow to have a look at what smoking solutions a pubs had put in prior to the ban taking effect in England.
One guy was going mental about the council. He'd covered the drinking area at the front of his pub with a very heavy duty gazebo type material.
He'd then got a wall about 3' high wall round the garden. The wall had Perspex panels on top of the walls about 2' high. There was then a 4/5' gap from the top of the Perspex to the awning.
He was told he had to rip it down as it was non compliant.
There was loads of this confusion when it first came in to force
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The referee Caz has no control whatsover and has clearly had enough. Caz has left the ring. The replacement referee is making his way to the ring and by his demeanor it looks like he will sort things. The crowd/forum gasps as they realise the identity of the replacement referee. YIANNIS. He has obviously come out of retirement. This should be a good clean fight now. My god! Whatever is YIANNIS doing with all those towels? Oh no!
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Any truth in the rumour that the humble Kumquat is being used as a gum shield?
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I was going out tonight but think I'll stay in now!
Any chance the Delfino Blu could be booked for the hosting the 'live'debate......or should I just catch up with reading an unbiased report on Tripadvisor. :o
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Re Olympia.... When we were in there over the last couple of weeks anyone smoking went outside to the outside tables without being asked to. I didn't really pay much attention to this at the time but it was very courteous of them.
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I'm not going to say much else, but I thought we were talking about about outside anyway.
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Interesting debate.
On the one hand I can see that a polite request from a non smoker might do the trick. Equally it might inflame the situation (pun intended)
I say it comes down to the law of the land. If there are no legal restrictions to smoking inside/outside restaurants and bars etc I would say you just have to put up with it or take action to mitigate. Alternatively go on the offensive.
Its a holiday though - leave the hassle at home........
We will be in glorious San Stef for the 3rd time from Friday will take up the sitting upwind idea.....
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Nothing is going to solve the problem although I must add that it is only a problem for some in all fairness, I doubt the taverna/bar owners in Sans Stefanos see it has a problem as like most Greeks they are too laid back to worry about such things plus customers are customers whether they smoke or not so opinions whether they are constructive or otherwise will change nothing. No laws are be broken and even if they were I doubt very much that the 'thought' police will arrive in Greece anytime soon, there will be no segregation and of that I am sure. By all means feel free to approach each and everyone Taverna owner and put forward your case for non smoking and smoking area's but be prepared for rejection and quite right too, it is their country and we are merely visitors and for me I am far too busy enjoying my holiday to bother about someone smoking, getting drunk or running along the beach wearing nothing but a smile, although I must admit that I was not struck on Gavlah's pink man thong which he was sporting this year, I spotted him on the webcam, bring back the leopard print one Gav ;D ;D ;D but it is his choice. :)
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Interesting debate.
On the one hand I can see that a polite request from a non smoker might do the trick. Equally it might inflame the situation (pun intended)
I say it comes down to the law of the land. If there are no legal restrictions to smoking inside/outside restaurants and bars etc I would say you just have to put up with it or take action to mitigate. Alternatively go on the offensive.
Its a holiday though - leave the hassle at home........
We will be in glorious San Stef for the 3rd time from Friday will take up the sitting upwind idea.....
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Well said and have a great holiday, lucky you, we enjoyed 3 weeks in SS earlier this year, going to Spain in January and back to SS hopefully in June, counting the days ................ :) :) :)
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We're there 30th June for two weeks Lilly........ Perros!
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Thanks lilly
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We're there 30th June for two weeks Lilly........ Perros!
Hi Gav, we are looking at 23rd June, I must sort it out soon, going to go independent again, Thomas Cook flights seem the cheapest and fly out at 10.15 am so a little later than last year, looking forward to our week in Spain but a different type of holiday for us on a Riu A/I, going to London for Christmas too, thankfully I don't put weight on otherwise I would be like a Christmas pudding come June. ;D ;D
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Been to a Riu in Mexico..... usually very high quality
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Been to a Riu in Mexico..... usually very high quality
Yes, they are usually very high quality, stayed at one once in Isla Canela in Costa de la Luz, food was amazing. just going to chill and relax.
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The fight is over. It ended in complete farce. Every time the bell went for the next round, the referee YIANNIS would place a towel on the vacated stool in the corners. Smokin Joe Jimbo blatantly lit a cigarette at the end of every round and his two corner men, lilly and debra had the biggest cigars alight the whole time. Somehow a picket fence was erected and kernowfox sat on it at every opportunity. Gavlah and loftyscot constantly bombarded Winj and Jimbo with what looked like minature pots of jam. Andy, Rover and Sellsy are demanding a rematch.
Who won? Who cares? Night night boxing fans. ;)
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My picket fence has collapsed ........as an ex smoker still craving ...... I think I actually like secondary "used" "preloved" particularly marlbofough lights.........
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Sorry I missed this one grapple fans! Will try to catch it on Sky + 1 ;)
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WinJ
I am a non-smoker and my wife is an ex-smoker now. When she smoked I enjoyed being able to sit with her right through a meal when in San Stef whilst she lit up, whereas back home she would go to the smoking area if she wanted a puff after her main course. Therefore in Greece I like the idea of smokers and non-smokers mingling as the smoke tends to drift away harmlessly when dining outside.
I guess it is all down to opinion, personally I find the voice and laughter traits of others more irritating.....you know the type that seems to think they must show they have the loudest laugh in the world or demonstrate they know the answer to everything by telling everyone their opinion.
In fact in the not so old days in Edinburgh, the pubs and restaurants used to have a lovely Gallic smell when the French arrived for the rugby weekend and you could smell the different smoke. Also I remember visiting places in the north of Scotland when the peat smoke and the pipe smoke mixed pleasantly in the hotels. Great nights!
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Loftyscot
As I said in my original post, a cigarette at the end of meal, when most people have finished eating is acceptable. The four people on the next table lit up before the starters and chain smoked throughout. In my opinion extremely bad manners!
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Hi, this is my first post on this forum.
We have been coming to San Stefanos for 8 consecutive years and returned last Monday having enjoyed a fabulous 10 days.
The only thing that spoiled it was the smoking in the tavernas and it seems to be getting worse. We were in Yiannis one night and four people on the next table smoked continuously all through the meal. Little Prince was another taverna where people seemed to smoke continuously, as against previous years when it was one cigarette at the end of a meal when most people had finished their meals. We ate at Olympia 3 times and did not see (or smell) one smoker.
I really do think it is about time the taverna owners had smoking and non-smoking sections and ask as you enter which you prefer.
Sorry to bring up this controversial topic again, as I seem to remember a heated discussion some time ago but I do think a solution should be found, as leaving it to the discretion and courteousness of the people who smoke does not seem to be working.
Sorry, but I have to reply to this.
I haven't smoked a cigarette in my life so I think I am non biased but posts like this make me mad!
Greece is not like the UK with its endless political correctness, so if you want to be controlled like a robot stay at home! Greece, thank God is still a place where common sense and tolerance is still the norm so don't expect the Gestapo anti-smoking police in San Steph.
Going to Greece and expecting it to be smoke free is like going to Iceland and be surprised by the snow!
Everyone smokes in Greece and I would not want it any other way.
If you want sunshine and no smoke go to Italy, no smokers allowed there.
Andy
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Andy, Winj never said he (she?) expected a smoke free environment. Read his post. He only said that 4 people chain smoking during a meal was OTT, no complaints to anybody choosing to light a cigarette after their meal and I can agree with that.
Surely whether people are smokers or non-smokers, a bit of common courtesy doesn't go amiss.
I'm now an ex smoker, been quit for over a year after smoking for nearly 20 so I think I'm qualified to see both sides of the argument.
I think the Nafsika gets it right with having a seperate smoking / non smoking area, although I'm sure the smokers will be along shortly to say they don't want to be segregated.
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Gillywoo
As you say common sense and tolerance should be expected anywhere not just in Greece. Would you be happy to have your evening meal sitting next to a shirtless smelly person. I don't think so.
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Oh God - that's ruled me out on two counts!
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Three actually Jimbo. Don't forget the smoking!
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By the way, the 'upended table' comment was a joke. We are in our seventies and one of the smokers was a big, muscly, tattood lad in his twenties.
I think it was your initial 'tough' response that elicited it, as that was the response I had envisaged from him if I had asked politely for him to refrain.
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I usually have a shirt on to hide the huge muscles I have on my chest. They're so huge that 50% of ants can't climb up them if they're having a bad day.
Confronted with a load of low-life at a nearby table it may be simpler to ask to move rather than have a confrontation, I guess. If you asked me, I would probably ask to move, but in the meantime would smile nicely, stub it out, and raise a glass of friendship. Not all smokers are thugs, and not all non-smokers are miserable buggers!
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Jimbo
'obnoxious'. 'low life' - both your terms for smokers, not mine. You know them personally do you?
You've lost me on the ants and muscles!
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Gillywoo
As you say common sense and tolerance should be expected anywhere not just in Greece. Would you be happy to have your evening meal sitting next to a shirtless smelly person. I don't think so.
Why not just enjoy your holiday and try not to concentrate on what the person at the next table is doing, sometimes it is very easy to become fixated on something that it almosts becomes an habit and dare I say a talking point instead of enjoying conversation/time with partners/husbands/wives etc. Greece is Greece and we cannot expect them to change, I am sure they have more important things to think about at the moment!
Personally I hate the smell of TCP which some people of a certain age seem to use has Eau de Parfum, in some of the taverna's this year the smell was overpowering but I accept that people have the right to dab it freely, it is their choice which I accept in fact even the smelly shirtless smelly person also has the right to dine where he/she chooses to do so along with the tattooed man, the scowling person who stares at you throughout the meal, those who like to chew with their mouths open displaying the contents of their meal, there are many off putting things when you think about it but for me personally I try not to think about it as I am having so much fun.
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Lilly
Wish I'd had my TCP Eau de Perfume with me in Yiannis, I would have been a happy bunny.
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I realy don't know what the problem with smoking is. I don't smoke but all my friend do and I have no problems with it at all and arnt most terverners outside anyway. ::)
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Thing is I can understand non-smokers not wanting to sit next to someone smoking inside but outside a Taverna? you would need a police sniffer dog to detect someone smoking more than 3 feet away!
I always find it strange that some folk will moan about people smoking outside but wont be bothered about nearby cars and bikes belching out fumes, its madness. Its even worse when anti-smokers drive round in big 4*4 Cars but please don't get me started on that one ::)
Andy
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I also find it strange that some people who smoke don't mind the smell on their clothes. Could it be because they hold their cigs at arms length or over the shoulder, wafting smoke on the people behind.
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I also find it strange that some people who smoke don't mind the smell on their clothes. Could it be because they hold their cigs at arms length or over the shoulder, wafting smoke on the people behind.
In your opening post you said that a solution should be found, I take it that you mean the solution that you speak of would be to have separate area's for smokers and non smokers but you must realise that this is not going to happen in Greece and nobody on this forum can find your solution as you put it, to the Greeks there is nothing to solve because they don't see it has a problem.
There is nothing that you can do about it unless you intend to tour the whole of Greece to help them find a solution to a problem that they don't have, good luck with that one!
Have you got any happy memories of your holiday if so would it not be better to concentrate on them rather than becoming obsessed by something that you have no control over? It should just be a mild irritation to you and not something to dwell on. Have you never really posted before on this forum? ;)
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Lilly
I have never posted on this or any other forum. As I said in my original post it has never been a problem in the past, only this year.
See my post on the Delfino Blue topic and you will see how much I love Greece and San Stefanos.
Sadly this will be my last post as I dislike the 'gang' mentality I have encountered here.
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Lilly
I have never posted on this or any other forum. As I said in my original post it has never been a problem in the past, only this year.
See my post on the Delfino Blue topic and you will see how much I love Greece and San Stefanos.
Sadly this will be my last post as I dislike the 'gang' mentality I have encountered here.
WinJ, You voiced your opinion on something and in response other people gave their opinion which in the main was different to your opinion this does not mean that there is a gang culture it just means that for most people the subject is not an issue, I think maybe that this came has a surprise to you. If everyone had agreed with you then I am sure that you would have posted again. At least people have been honest in their responses which I think means far more than skirting around something and not saying what they really feel.
Some things in life really don't matter so much in the grand scale of things.
Yammas.
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WinJ,
It would be sad if you were to leave. There is no "gang mentality" here. What there is a lively expression of opinion. I get loads of stick, because I'll usually say what I think is true.
It's called democracy - an idea invented by the ancient Greeks.
There are two separate things in this forum:
(1) Somebody asking a question about (say) an apartment. They will get one or many experienced and objective responses. We all try to be helpful, and have been.
(2) Somebody starting an "opinion" thread, like this one. If you do that you can expect, not just here, but in many forums, to find that not everybody rides on your hobby-horse. There will be "fors" and "againsts." It's important to keep a sense of humour and recognise that we do not always agree about everything. That's what keeps the forum going over the winter when we'd all rather be sitting on a beach. You cannot reasonably expect not to be challenged.
Many of us have heated exchanges on the forum, but will happily meet up and chew the fat (sometimes literally) in Agios Stephanos, have a hug and a drink, and enjoy life. That's the essence of being away from it all in a nice place: we forget political and other divisions and just enjoy the company and some life-experience sharing.
Please continue to take part in the fun.
Jim
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WinJ,
It would be sad if you were to leave. There is no "gang mentality" here. What there is a lively expression of opinion. I get loads of stick, because I'll usually say what I think is true.
It's called democracy - an idea invented by the ancient Greeks.
There are two separate things in this forum:
(1) Somebody asking a question about (say) an apartment. They will get one or many experienced and objective responses. We all try to be helpful, and have been.
(2) Somebody starting an "opinion" thread, like this one. If you do that you can expect, not just here, but in many forums, to find that not everybody rides on your hobby-horse. There will be "fors" and "againsts." It's important to keep a sense of humour and recognise that we do not always agree about everything. That's what keeps the forum going over the winter when we'd all rather be sitting on a beach. You cannot reasonably expect not to be challenged.
Many of us have heated exchanges on the forum, but will happily meet up and chew the fat (sometimes literally) in Agios Stephanos, have a hug and a drink, and enjoy life. That's the essence of being away from it all in a nice place: we forget political and other divisions and just enjoy the company and some life-experience sharing.
Please continue to take part in the fun.
Jim
Jimbo,
You should work for the diplomatic service ;D
Andy
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Stick around WinJ, Please read the previous thread on smoking while dining alfresco - brought the forum to life after the winter doldrums ! I took some ribbing also. My spoilt for choice threads also cause some disquiet from time to time, it's all in the mix. A casual glance or some tough rebuttals can give the impression of cliques or gangs, I raised this one time also! However the forum is bigger and better than that, hold your own, the banters great. I agree with many of your points, I find cigarette smoke abhorrent , I can smell a smoker from many feet away even when they are not smoking. In the UK smokers returning indoors from outside smoking must have no idea how they smell as they enter a room. I recently lost my mum due to her smoking habit , how any smoker says they do not wish to break the habit is beyond me. Do certain personality types smoke more than others, do smokers use alcohol more than non smokers. gamblers smoke more than non gamblers ?
Smokers seek more instant gratification and self satisfaction than non addicts? Just asking?
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Don't ask sellsy. You won't like the reply.
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I do think WinJ got a bit of a hard time. If you read the original entry it was not about 'smoking', it was about 4 people chain smoking all through a meal. Even when I was a smoker (and was for 30 years to my regret) I would have found that pretty unacceptable. The suggestion was not to ban smoking but to have smoking sections - what's wrong with that? I know that smoking is part of the greek culture as I've been travelling there for 25 years but maybe it's time to move with the times? For the record, if someone was smoking at the table next to me I would not be bothered but I understand that some would be.
Frankie
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Without entering the debate again, Frankie, which I don't want to do, people eat at different times. Some people may be on the Metaxa (spelling) and fags when others are arriving.
Nafsika, apart from excellent food, has a very large non-smoking area, which I commend to those who find the smell of tobacco more irritating than the pervasive smell of cheap perfume, mosquito repellent and barbecue lighter-fuel.
As Andy pointed out, Little Prince tried this and had several empty tables for the night.
I have always been, and will always be, sensitive to the wishes of those nearby.
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Jimbo, I wasn't suggesting for one minute that you weren't. This isn't about you ;D I was merely voicing my opinion that I thought WinJ got a bit of a hard time
Frankie
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Passive smoking, or passive cheap perfume, mosquito repellent and barbecue lighter-fuel?
Upon reflection I'll go for the latter, but I'm funny when it comes to my lungs.
I hope that's helpful!
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I really did not intend to post again and I don't think I will get involved in any other topic.
I just wanted to answer Jimbo's recommendations on non-smoking tavernas.
I have never in all the 8 years I have been coming to San Stefanos, at different times of year. seen any non-smoking tables in Little Prince. Are they the 2 tables you have to vacate when they set them alight?
We have been to Nafsika twice. The first time we were waiting for our food when a coach arrived and 6/8 people, with cases, went inside. They came out shortly and were greeted effusively by the, I assume, owner and waiters. We were still waiting for our food when they got served! We decided, another year, to give it a second chance. Both our main choices were either sold out or unavailable. We haven't been back since.
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The non-smoking tables didn't last long. They were near the main entrance on the upper level.
We've always had excellent service and food at Nafsika, as have many others, and will be eating there next week. Usually, outsiders get more attention than residents.
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I have found this thread and the other one from earlier this year very interesting and overall quite funny due to the reaction it draws.
I've never smoked but my wife used to and we're of an age when we can remember smoked filled pubs/clubs/restaurants etc etc which was a natural consequence of going out. I take on board everyones views in good faith and feel that Jimbo's advice re: asking if the offenders would mind stopping and/or reducing their intake a fair one but with one major proviso.
In today's day and age any polite request of someone, of whatever age or sex, to stop smoking, swearing in front of children/women, pick up their litter, stop their kids from running amok, stop pushing-in, or whatever the circumstance can often be met with a heated response suffient enough to spoil you're evening or worse, your whole holiday. We can all think of incidences when we have either said something and wished we hadn't or wanted to but were reluctant to do so in fear of the reaction.
Jimbo says he's curteous to others and having never met him I have no reason to disbelieve him however there are hosts of others who aren't. Mores the pity.
I suppose the bottomline is you treat each situation on its merits and act accordingly or not. Just for the record I wish the world was a more considerate place in general.
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Tredegar Boy, that's a well balanced and astute observation. Its such a shame that people have to live in fear of a rude response to a polite request.
For the record, my chain smoking in-laws light up before and after each course.
I agree with the live and let live approach, particularly when on holiday. Or just ask to move upwind of it if its upset you (might not be possible at Little Prince when its packed out!).
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Both my other half and myself are ex smokers (twice), but to be honest I would move to another table or say nothing if sat next to a smoker rather than risk having an aggresive response which I would find upsetting. Unfortunately there seems so much aggression around these days in many areas that I don't want to take the risk and yet I do find others smoke unpleasant I just wouldn't say so.
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I have to share this. Been shopping in a nearby town today. I picked up a couple of charity shop books and sat on a bench reading while I waited for my husband. A lady sat down at the far end and I gave her a friendly smile. She said 'I'm not being anti-social but I want a ciggie so I'll just sit here and turn away'. I nearly fell off the bench laughing. Luckily a woman called to her and she left, so I didn't have to explain myself.
Just my type of smoker - polite and courteous.
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Just for the facts - I've had some severely aggressive attacks by non-smokers. Maybe they should have a cig and calm down!
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There were 3 non smoking tables in the upper level of the Little Prince last week when we were there.No one sat down at these tables till well after 10 pm,and two of the customers smoked. ::)
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Have to say we ate in Nafsika one evening and had to wait a long time for our meal I think the residents were seen to first.On saying that we were welcomed as always by Spiros and given the choice of smoking or not.
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Residents have to eat by 9 pm. 9:30 is a good time to turn up.
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I`m all in on the smoking thing,just wish the waiters would empty the ashtrays more often ;) ;D
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Arrived today and it appears that this smoking thread has not gone unnoticed by the local Taverna owners.Apparently,smoking became a big issue during the high season,with the Greeks and Italians complaining about the excessive smoking Brits ruining their meals.
After a few lengthy meetings,the majority of Taverna owners believe it is in their best interests to introduce some no smoking measures next year,with a proposed start date of June 1st.
The initial policy is simplicity itself,with each Taverna operating a no smoking policy on alternate days i.e. will be decided by the date 1st,3rd,5th etc.. The ban will only operate between the hours of 1800 until 2300.
Lets hope common sense prevails and all Taverna owners sign up to the policy and all tourists adhere to the polcy.
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Let's hope this is managed as successfully as the Avliotes bypass.
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That is the most ridiculous idea I've ever heard!!!
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The mind boggles as to how that one will work. Still it will make a change from finding a taverna with the best "special" instead it will be finding a taverna for a smoke or not as the case might be. "Chaos" springs to mind
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Let's hope this is managed as successfully as the Avliotes bypass.
Agreed.
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What would happen if tables are free and it is not what you want (smoking or none smoking) are they going to turn business away.
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Jules - I think this is a wind-up!
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Jules - I think this is a wind-up!
Most definetly! ::) ::)
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Tony Cox has just sent me a message saying its a load of rubbish. He has said that the Taverna owners are thinking of segregating the smokers and putting a couple of those stand up fans pointing away from the non smokers towards the smokers thus keeping the smoke with the people who created it.
Don't really know how this will go? Surely it will be very windy
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Hi Gav, we are looking at 23rd June, I must sort it out soon, going to go independent again, Thomas Cook flights seem the cheapest and fly out at 10.15 am so a little later than last year, looking forward to our week in Spain but a different type of holiday for us on a Riu A/I, going to London for Christmas too, thankfully I don't put weight on otherwise I would be like a Christmas pudding come June. ;D ;D
I will be there from 23rd June for two weeks, hope to see you :)
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That'll be enormously good fun when there's a twenty mile per hour wind blowing in the wrong direction!!! ;D
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Thanks again Gav.... another one from me.... but if I had made a suggestion... it would be to make a large investment.. putting giant turntables on restaurant floors.
Have a no smoking area which can be turned to always have the non smoking area upwind of the smokers.
So what happens when no wind... either Gavs fans... or you're b@@@reed... lol...
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actually I hate smoking ... but you have to accept others rights.
It affects my breathing, so if I am trying to eat and someone's letting smoke waft into me,
I simply ask them nicely if they could try to keep their smoke away from me.
I find that this we works well in 99% of cases without starting world war 3,
Most people are pretty fair... but don't moan or tell them off.... ask... and nicely..
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The Greeks and Italians complaining about Brits smoking ?! hilarious!
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One of the waiters did comment to us while we were away that he liked the fact that brits do go outside to smoke in Greece. He was very anti smoking
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Pippina probably complained about Dimitris smoking his roll-ups!
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Keep us updated Tony
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Pippina probably complained about Dimitris smoking his roll-ups!
He's now on electronic ciggies Jimbo, wise man
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Must admit that several meals this year were affected by people smoking and I would very much appreciate no smoking areas however this was managed.
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He's now on electronic ciggies Jimbo, wise man
We've all tried that.
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We've all tried that.
But only the determined succeed!!
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They're pointless. Heavy, cold, don't feel or taste right - nobody's got that correct.
I didn't smoke for 4.5 years. I nearly went bankrupt. Some of us need our little props to be productive.
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They're pointless. Heavy, cold, don't feel or taste right - nobody's got that correct.
I didn't smoke for 4.5 years. I nearly went bankrupt. Some of us need our little props to be productive.
Have a word with Dimitris next week, maybe he can convince you. I can can see you returning from Ag Stef being a converted (and smoke free) man.
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That will never happen. Been there. Done it. Thanks.
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No Jim... but you always consider others... Gentleman Jim...
Unlike the chain smoking arse at lunch today...
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No one seems to mention it is illegal to smoke in various establishments in Greece.
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Yes - INSIDE - not in the open air. Just like here.
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It's always been my experience that people have to WANT to give up smoking before they are successful in doing so. 30 years ago I smoked, had a non-smoking boyfriend and I managed to give up for myself and him by going cold turkey. I have never had a cigarette since.
Like Tony the smoke affects my breathing as I have asthma and I hate the smell. I would and do, move away from it even out in the open.
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I try to be tolerant as Everyone has a view and a conflicting right.
Everyone's on holiday (most anyway), but if I struggle to breathe I have to walk away.
It's not to often, or I ask them to try and direct smoke away.
Last night a girl lit up on the next table, took one puff & held the cigarette up so it blew directly on me,
So I had to tell her. Why light a fag and n o t smoke it.... she only had two puffs...
The rest burnt out over everyone else... otherwise everyone tries to respect each other.
Very smoky in Thomas bay.......