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Title: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 03, 2021, 07:13:58 PM
If it helps anyone looking at booking flights and independent accommodation, the below list is correct as of 3 July for flights actually having landed at Corfu in the last 7 days. My theory being if they are flying now they are less likely to be pulled from the schedule in the future:
Gatwick:
Saturday - Easyjet
Monday -TUI and Easyjet
Friday - TUI

Heathrow:
Everyday - BA

Manchester:
Saturday - Easyjet
Sunday - Ryanair
Monday - TUI
Tuesday - Ryanair and Easyjet evening flights
Thursday - Ryanair
Friday - TUI

Birmingham:
Saturday - Ryanair
Tuesday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Luton:
Saturday - Easyjet
Sunday - Easyjet

East Mids:
Sunday - Ryanair
Monday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair


Southend:
Sunday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Liverpool:
Sunday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Stansted:
Friday - Ryanair
Sunday - Ryanair

Bristol:
Wednesday - Easyjet

Edinburgh:
Tuesday - Ryanair
Saturday - Ryanair
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: WINKIE on July 03, 2021, 07:44:30 PM
Very helpful post to many BAJ, good work sir.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 03, 2021, 09:18:39 PM
Thank you BAJ!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Rod on July 03, 2021, 10:29:37 PM
If it helps anyone looking at booking flights and independent accommodation, the below list is correct as of 3 July for flights actually having landed at Corfu in the last 7 days. My theory being if they are flying now they are less likely to be pulled from the schedule in the future:
Gatwick:
Saturday - Easyjet
Monday -TUI and Easyjet
Friday - TUI

Heathrow:
Everyday - BA

Manchester:
Saturday - Easyjet
Sunday - Ryanair
Monday - TUI
Thursday - Ryanair
Friday - TUI

Birmingham:
Saturday - Ryanair
Tuesday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Luton:
Saturday - Easyjet

East Mids:
Sunday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Southend:
Sunday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Liverpool:
Sunday - Ryanair
Thursday - Ryanair

Stansted:
Friday - Ryanair

Bristol:
Wednesday - Easyjet

Edinburgh:
Tuesday - Ryanair
I may have missed some Edinburgh flights in addition to the one above.
Cheers Baj.  Good work.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 04, 2021, 11:04:34 AM
Great post.  :)
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: IrisG on July 04, 2021, 05:13:00 PM
There are Edinburgh Ryanair flights on a Saturday, too.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 04, 2021, 06:46:20 PM
There are Edinburgh Ryanair flights on a Saturday, too.
I thought I had missed one.
Also can add that today a Ryanair flight from Stansted is scheduled to arrive this evening.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 04, 2021, 06:50:12 PM
I have updated the original post to include these two flights. I will add any new ones that appear over the next few weeks or until I get bored! If you know of any other flights I have missed which are confirmed as having landed then post on this thread and I will add to the posting at the top, or any that stop flying. Regards Brian
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 04, 2021, 08:09:06 PM
Thank you Brian, very helpful!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 05, 2021, 12:03:18 AM
Great job!

Very good airport-watching today as flights get busier!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 05, 2021, 10:16:21 PM
Ryanair flights from East Mids on a Monday now flying, added to listing. They weren’t last Monday, so flights are increasing!  :)
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 06, 2021, 12:34:27 AM
It all sounds very positive, I am so pleased for everyone! :)
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 07, 2021, 03:12:35 AM
Two new flights from Manchester on a Tuesday, both arrived this evening, Ryanair and Easyjet
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 07, 2021, 09:36:17 AM
Two new flights from Manchester on a Tuesday, both arrived this evening, Ryanair and Easyjet

They have cancelled my flight from Manchester on 4th August, maybe to consolidate to a Tuesday. They made it very easy, and free, to switch to the Tuesday so no problems from me, means an extra days holiday  ;D
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 07, 2021, 12:31:35 PM
They have cancelled my flight from Manchester on 4th August, maybe to consolidate to a Tuesday. They made it very easy, and free, to switch to the Tuesday so no problems from me, means an extra days holiday  ;D
Bonus day, and they are definitely flying on a Tuesday. The only Wednesday arrivals today are BA from Heathrow and EJ from Bristol.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Evertonendo on July 07, 2021, 06:03:09 PM
They have cancelled my flight from Manchester on 4th August, maybe to consolidate to a Tuesday. They made it very easy, and free, to switch to the Tuesday so no problems from me, means an extra days holiday  ;D
Which company was that ?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 07, 2021, 06:10:01 PM
Which company was that ?

EasyJet from Manchester. Cancelled the 4th August flight.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Dupnica on July 07, 2021, 10:03:39 PM
Ryanair are doing a bogof offer  for July from Stansted. Two people can fly return to Corfu for £48.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 08, 2021, 06:20:17 PM
Jet2 who have not been flying to amber have updated their social media pages and app that they will be doing so from 19th July. So my flight from east Mids on 26th is looking promising  :)
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: hobbes on July 09, 2021, 03:06:01 PM
Another Midlander! I love East Mids as its not as intimidating as Manchester or, god forbid, the London airports. I'm a bad flyer so i need a nice calm experience at the airport before hand (Which last time we went didn't happen as the taxi to East Mids didn't turn up and we didn't arrive at the airport until 6.40 for a 7.55 flight- :o )
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 11, 2021, 05:19:26 PM
Another Midlander! I love East Mids as its not as intimidating as Manchester or, god forbid, the London airports. I'm a bad flyer so i need a nice calm experience at the airport before hand (Which last time we went didn't happen as the taxi to East Mids didn't turn up and we didn't arrive at the airport until 6.40 for a 7.55 flight- :o )
Yes East Mids convenient for us, only 15 miles away, but have used Luton and Heathrow particularly when there was four of us so the savings per ticket added up. It’s often quite a lot more for that convenience.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 11, 2021, 05:21:03 PM
Now flight from Luton today (Sunday) with Easyjet, landed at 11.40
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 21, 2021, 02:24:53 AM
 Notified today that our Jet2 flight from East Midlands on Monday morning will now take 4 1/2 hrs as it is taking a tour of the Midlands first and going to Birmingham after we board. So an earlier departure from EMA and arrive 1/2 hour later in Corfu.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 21, 2021, 11:47:04 AM
Notified today that our Jet2 flight from East Midlands on Monday morning will now take 4 1/2 hrs as it is taking a tour of the Midlands first and going to Birmingham after we board. So an earlier departure from EMA and arrive 1/2 hour later in Corfu.

Is that a "filling the plane up" thing?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 21, 2021, 12:44:44 PM
It's a bit of a pain, but something you have to do it you want to go on holiday.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 21, 2021, 01:19:41 PM
Sneaky Jet2 (who I’ve found to be very good), either their changing days of flights has resulted in too many refunds or they are trying a mixture of options to fill the planes. A bit of a catch-22 I think as it leads those who are not desperate to get away to sit back and wait until they stop the consolidation of flights, resulting in more because the planes are not full…
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 21, 2021, 02:53:45 PM
TUI have put the Friday flight from Doncaster back a week - the first flight is on Monday (at the moment).
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 21, 2021, 03:05:27 PM
Is that a "filling the plane up" thing?
It looks like it TB, from looking at pre-booked seats on both East Mids and the Birmigham flights they are both about a third full, so just flying one aircraft 2/3rds full. Better than cancelling but a bit of a pain. Flight leaves EMA at 0710 hrs and then Birmingham at 0830.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Evertonendo on July 21, 2021, 05:55:52 PM
Notified today that our Jet2 flight from East Midlands on Monday morning will now take 4 1/2 hrs as it is taking a tour of the Midlands first and going to Birmingham after we board. So an earlier departure from EMA and arrive 1/2 hour later in Corfu.
Covidwise it doesnt seem a great idea mixing two geographical areas on one plane ?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 22, 2021, 12:08:37 PM
It looks like it TB, from looking at pre-booked seats on both East Mids and the Birmigham flights they are both about a third full, so just flying one aircraft 2/3rds full. Better than cancelling but a bit of a pain. Flight leaves EMA at 0710 hrs and then Birmingham at 0830.

That doesn't sound too bad then BAJ.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 22, 2021, 07:42:00 PM
Jet2 flights from Manchester and Leeds arrived today and EJ from Birmingham due this evening. All new additions.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Lesley on July 22, 2021, 07:45:26 PM
The Jet2 flights today NCL and LBA were combined known as a double drop so they took off from NCL landed in LBA as there were very few for this flight and then altogether came to Corfu - makes commercial sence if we stil want these companies to exist. 
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 22, 2021, 08:33:42 PM
That’s what Jet2 are doing with our flight on Monday Lesley, we leave East Mids then go to Birmingham before coming to Corfu.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 22, 2021, 09:47:14 PM
TUI seem to be the ones cancelling holidays and with only 2days notice sometimes..
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 23, 2021, 12:25:15 AM
TUI seem to be the ones cancelling holidays and with only 2days notice sometimes..
I’ve seen on Facebook Karen, numerous flights/holidays being cancelled. They don’t seem to be offering customers the alternative flights either just cancelling and refunding…..strange. So far my Jet 2 flight is still going, I have a back up Ryan air flight booked for Sunday just in case 🤞
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 02:02:18 AM
It's all very odd, BAJ...so, can I ask..if you book independently and your flight is cancelled last minute, do you lose the money you have paid for the accommodation, or is that covered in your insurance?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 23, 2021, 02:43:26 AM
It's all very odd, BAJ...so, can I ask..if you book independently and your flight is cancelled last minute, do you lose the money you have paid for the accommodation, or is that covered in your insurance?
Well the owners I have dealt with so far have been great. Those circumstances have happened to us twice, we had Anatoli booked for last July, deposit paid, flight was cancelled and we transferred deposit to Whit week this year. Flights for then were also cancelled so we have moved deposit again to next May. Our accommodation for this coming holiday is Fedra Mare, booked last year and deposit paid. I haven’t explored what would happen to our deposit with them if flights had been cancelled but have no reason to think they wouldn’t have just moved the deposit to a future booking. If that failed I have an annual travel policy which I hope would cover it, but again haven’t explored that. I wouldn’t necessarily be happy booking on trust in other places in the world, but we all know what the village business owners are like. 👍🏻
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 03:32:30 AM
Thank you BAJ..just seen another TUI cancellation..dreadful..will have to look more deep!y into independent booking..
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 23, 2021, 11:43:34 AM
TUI Friday flight from Doncaster has just moved back two weeks. Bummer.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 23, 2021, 12:31:15 PM
TUI Friday flight from Doncaster has just moved back two weeks. Bummer.
TUI flights at the moment seem a major gamble.
New flights to the Friday arrivals today are Easyjet from Gatwick and Bristol and Jet2 from Manchester
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 01:10:00 PM
I anticipate with what’s happening this year with the package deals, a lot more people are being forced to book independent and once they realise how easy and convenient it is, they will continue to do so in future years.

A long term bonus for our friends in the village.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 23, 2021, 02:04:05 PM
Thank you BAJ..just seen another TUI cancellation..dreadful..will have to look more deep!y into independent booking..

From Bristol today TUI have cancelled flights to Tenerife, Corfu, Zante and Rhodes but have departed for Mahon, Ibiza and Palma. Anybody have any idea what the rationale is?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 03:55:43 PM
From Bristol today TUI have cancelled flights to Tenerife, Corfu, Zante and Rhodes but have departed for Mahon, Ibiza and Palma. Anybody have any idea what the rationale is?

None of it makes any sense, I guess it depends how full/empty the flights are..
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 23, 2021, 04:50:08 PM
As Lesley said earlier, unless the flight is at 75% capacity they are losing money. So it makes sense to aggregate two flights into one, if feasible. For example, TUI usually have two flights a week from Donny - Monday and Friday. The Friday flight leaves at 7am and the Monday at 2:40pm. Landing fees are probably lower for the Monday flight, so they may decide, if bookings are low, to cancel Friday and offer Monday. Monday is less pleasant for us - so if they cancel our Friday flight we'll have to choose between Monday and postponement.

They have been put in a very difficult position by the UK government's late decisions. People will make last-minute decisions based on the latest travel advice, and they still have to crew a plane fully staffed even if it has only a handful of passengers, because the number of cabin crew depends upon the number of seats, not the number of passengers. The minimum for a 737 is three, but a normal TUI crew appears to be four FAs.

As fas as Spain v Greece goes - Spain has very high infection levels, though not as high as the UK, and substantially greater than Greece. So I think that's a logistics decision, not a pandemic decision. Average flight time to Spain is about 2.5 hours - to Greece is at least three and probably four hours. That's a lot more fuel.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 23, 2021, 05:50:06 PM
I don't do social media but is there anything on there about how much notice people are getting about their cancellation?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 05:54:49 PM
I don't do social media but is there anything on there about how much notice people are getting about their cancellation?

Very little notice. Some people are only finding out 2-3 days before and only then finding out because they are checking, not being contacted by TUI to tell them.

There’s a few instances of people only finding out when going to the airport to board their flight, which is obviously unforgivable.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 05:59:23 PM
I don't do social media but is there anything on there about how much notice people are getting about their cancellation?

Some are only getting a couple of days notice, from TUI. Have been looking at Corfu arrivals.. There are quite a few TUI flights that just haven't taken off..Norwich, Luton, Edinburgh, East Midlands.....
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 06:16:06 PM
TUI are telling people that Silver Moon and Little Prince are closed, they are OPEN! Please check your bookings if you are going with TUI!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 06:29:36 PM
TUI being cowboys and not wanting to tell their customers the real reason for the cancellation, which is obviously financial and profit related.

It’s got nothing to do with governments late decisions, which is why Jet2 and the low cost carriers are giving people plenty of notice and generally communicating honestly with their customers.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 06:31:28 PM
Yes, D@G..
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Karen on July 23, 2021, 08:45:33 PM
More and more people on FB are saying TUI are cancelling their holiday, some of them are now booking independently...
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 23, 2021, 08:53:55 PM
The argument on package v independent has been done to death on here and we are very pro independent, but the current situation does not add to the issue as far as we can see. Flights are being changed as much as any packages and with the latter you at least have some extra cover for the accommodation, although I totally agree the owners are doing a great job helping people when things change.
We’ve used Jet2, RyanAir and Easyjet since they started, so many a year and several times some years. By far the better has been Jet2 and I’m sure everyone knows the worst of the three. Saying that, it is the old saying “you get what you pay for” but we have actually had little or no problems with any of them throughout the years.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Evertonendo on July 23, 2021, 09:45:20 PM
I looked at the Manchester flight we will be going on and that went ok today fingers crossed it will continue to do so there just seems to be the one flight from manchester on friday rather than three ? Have had a look and Easyjet hav flights so we’ll get there somehow.
I would say to anyone who is unsure, book independently dont worry the owners are so trustworthy and benefit so much more from direct bookings x
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 10:04:32 PM
The argument on package v independent has been done to death on here and we are very pro independent, but the current situation does not add to the issue as far as we can see. Flights are being changed as much as any packages and with the latter you at least have some extra cover for the accommodation, although I totally agree the owners are doing a great job helping people when things change.
We’ve used Jet2, RyanAir and Easyjet since they started, so many a year and several times some years. By far the better has been Jet2 and I’m sure everyone knows the worst of the three. Saying that, it is the old saying “you get what you pay for” but we have actually had little or no problems with any of them throughout the years.

The difference though, is the cheap carriers are making customers aware of the cancellations and giving them ample time to make alternative (mostly free) arrangements.

TUI are leaving cancellations to the last minute and then lying to their customers and saying the hotels are closed which is the reason for the cancellation.

Any extra cover with booking a package has been heavily eroded by TUI by their dishonest business methods.

Independent every year for us, the locals benefit far more this way also.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 23, 2021, 10:29:21 PM
The difference though, is the cheap carriers are making customers aware of the cancellations and giving them ample time to make alternative (mostly free) arrangements.

TUI are leaving cancellations to the last minute and then lying to their customers and saying the hotels are closed which is the reason for the cancellation.

Any extra cover with booking a package has been heavily eroded by TUI by their dishonest business methods.

Independent every year for us, the locals benefit far more this way also.


You must book a lot of flights to "know" so much.
We had flights with both Jet2 (return) and Ryanair (going). Jet2 give us 28 days notice of a change of day, then 2 days later before we asked for a refund changed the day again. The call to them was typically long winded, but the refund was quick. Ryanair <2 weeks before simply cancelled and offered a voucher. Went online and found "refund" option, it was an awful procedure made to put you off. Refund took at least twice as long. Oh and we lost out on the exchange rate paying in Euro on the return. People should be checking they are not entitled to compensation on these late notifications as they won't simply offer them...
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 10:36:01 PM

You must book a lot of flights to "know" so much.

Again, no need for the pointless digs, I was just giving my opinion on the current TUI situation, which you may or may not be aware of.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: John on July 23, 2021, 10:54:19 PM
In the past l have had exceptional service over many years with TUI,but reading others folks experiences, especially late cancellations I’m beginning to wonder what to do in the future.

Out of interest can anyone give me advice as to what requirements are in force should l be lucky enough to go in September.   I am double jabbed.  Thanks.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 23, 2021, 11:05:40 PM
In the past l have had exceptional service over many years with TUI,but reading others folks experiences, especially late cancellations I’m beginning to wonder what to do in the future.

Out of interest can anyone give me advice as to what requirements are in force should l be lucky enough to go in September.   I am double jabbed.  Thanks.

As things stand, with Greece being Amber, you’ll need to fill out a PLF form, possibly do a free test on arrival (at their discretion) do a test in resort 2 days before returning home and do a PCR test within 72 hours of arriving home.

The 2 compulsory tests will cost in the region of £70 per adult.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: John on July 24, 2021, 12:39:06 AM
Thanks for that info.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 24, 2021, 01:08:18 AM
Again, no need for the pointless digs, I was just giving my opinion on the current TUI situation, which you may or may not be aware of.


Nothing in digs other than your pointless cr@p attempt to dig at my response. Your comments on Tui if picked up could end you up in court, think about it DH and get real...

Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 01:18:23 AM

Nothing in digs other than your pointless cr@p attempt to dig at my response. Your comments on Tui if picked up could end you up in court, think about it DH and get real...

Grow up and quit trolling.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2021, 01:27:30 AM
Pots and kettles!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 24, 2021, 01:28:33 AM
Grow up and quit trolling.


You are a sad case...
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 01:43:03 AM
Pots and kettles!

You are a sad case...

Thanks for the useful input and for sending the thread completely off topic.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 24, 2021, 01:49:35 AM
I certainly think you are right things are off topic, but a lot has to do with your obsession over Tui and/or Jimbo. The only troll here seems to be your obsessions?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: John on July 24, 2021, 10:08:49 AM
Sorry D@G , I asked for information and you kindly responded.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 24, 2021, 11:50:39 AM
Very little notice. Some people are only finding out 2-3 days before and only then finding out because they are checking, not being contacted by TUI to tell them.

There’s a few instances of people only finding out when going to the airport to board their flight, which is obviously unforgivable.

Cheers D@G. We've been looking forward to our Sept holiday since we booked it back in April in the expectation that we would be nearly back to normal and even though TUI will reimburse us within 2 weeks its still leaves a nasty taste in the mouth if its at that short notice.

When going to San Stef we always go independant but are loathe to do so when going somewhere new but if TUI are going to treat people like this we'll have to reconsider.   
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2021, 11:52:44 AM
We been travelling with TUI or Jet2 to Corfu for 12 years. Both have been excellent. I don't really buy the "DIY and the local economy" argument; don't the owners who have contracted to TUI or Jet2 have any income? 
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 24, 2021, 11:55:45 AM
We been travelling with TUI or Jet2 to Corfu for 12 years. Both have been excellent. I don't really buy the "DIY and the local economy" argument; don't the owners who have contracted to TUI or Jet2 have any income?

We always go to Fedra and they don't have any other source of income.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 12:05:35 PM
We been travelling with TUI or Jet2 to Corfu for 12 years. Both have been excellent. I don't really buy the "DIY and the local economy" argument; don't the owners who have contracted to TUI or Jet2 have any income?

Independent isn’t convenient for everyone and that’s fine of course.

Looking at it purely financially, we are over in a couple of weeks for 20 nights and are paying €70/night for a family room direct to the owners. If I were to book with TUI, which I could, the owners would see €12/night of that money. Bit of a difference in their pockets.

Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 24, 2021, 12:12:43 PM
Independent isn’t convenient for everyone and that’s fine of course.

Looking at it purely financially, we are over in a couple of weeks for 20 nights and are paying €70/night for a family room direct to the owners. If I were to book with TUI, which I could, the owners would see €12/night of that money. Bit of a difference in their pockets.

That's a stark difference.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: geordieborn2 on July 24, 2021, 12:26:30 PM
Independent isn’t convenient for everyone and that’s fine of course.

Looking at it purely financially, we are over in a couple of weeks for 20 nights and are paying €70/night for a family room direct to the owners. If I were to book with TUI, which I could, the owners would see €12/night of that money. Bit of a difference in their pockets.


This is certainly what we have been told by owners there, although it seemed to be hush, hush. Not checked it out for years now, but it was also a lot cheaper to book ourselves. Now it's more the convenience of travelling when and how we want.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2021, 12:58:37 PM
Of course the apartment owners get a lot less with the travel companies, but they do have the advantage of huge website and shop presence, and not having to handle all the complexities of taking bookings and payments themselves. Lesley's excellent CorfuSelections.com has massively helped independent owners to obtain bookings.

There is still some possibility of compensation for a cancelled or severely altered flight, although not quite as generous as what was available when the UK was in the EU.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 01:12:59 PM

There is still some possibility of compensation for a cancelled or severely altered flight.

How does that benefit the apartment owners?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 24, 2021, 02:37:57 PM
We always go to Fedra and they don't have any other source of income.
TB our first visit to Fedra Mare on Monday and already have next year booked with them so hope we like it. Just the two of us so staying in one of the ground floor studios.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: BAJ on July 24, 2021, 02:44:50 PM
We been travelling with TUI or Jet2 to Corfu for 12 years. Both have been excellent. I don't really buy the "DIY and the local economy" argument; don't the owners who have contracted to TUI or Jet2 have any income?
We have done both, basically worked out which was the cheapest option for us, particularly when there were four of us. Have stayed at Romanza both with TUI and independent as a result of suggestion from the owners to book direct with them. I suppose the owners using operators have the benefit of confirmed stays at the quieter times of the season which guarantees an income and guests using their bar and restaurant. Do the operators pay the owners for the rooms for the year and then it’s down to them to fill it?
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 03:11:34 PM

Do the operators pay the owners for the rooms for the year and then it’s down to them to fill it?

Pre-Covid I believe they did yes. They’d pay the price per night for the duration of the season whether the rooms were filled or not. I’d imagine that security is the reason a lot of owners stick with the tour operators.
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Evertonendo on July 24, 2021, 03:39:36 PM
Independent isn’t convenient for everyone and that’s fine of course.

Looking at it purely financially, we are over in a couple of weeks for 20 nights and are paying €70/night for a family room direct to the owners. If I were to book with TUI, which I could, the owners would see €12/night of that money. Bit of a difference in their pockets.
Hi D@G
20 nights arent you the lucky one, we are hoping to do 3 weeks next year, I just hope all this uncertaintitynre flights and tests is behind us by the, however i feel lucky to be going at all this year, just hoping TUI dont cancel our flight.
What date do you go ?
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Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 04:03:28 PM
Hi D@G
20 nights arent you the lucky one, we are hoping to do 3 weeks next year, I just hope all this uncertaintitynre flights and tests is behind us by the, however i feel lucky to be going at all this year, just hoping TUI dont cancel our flight.
What date do you go ?

Yes very lucky, any kind of holiday this year will be a blessing as I know many people won’t be able to get away for one reason or another.

We’ve done 3 weeks a few times now and it still isn’t long enough.

We arrive 3rd August all being well.
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Post by: Jimbo on July 24, 2021, 04:05:32 PM
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How does that benefit the apartment owners?

On topic. You moaned about off-topic remarks. Can we keep this amicable for everybody's sake? You're not actually required to flame every post I make.
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Post by: D@G on July 24, 2021, 04:19:57 PM
On topic. You moaned about off-topic remarks. Can we keep this amicable for everybody's sake? You're not actually required to flame every post I make.

I think you may be getting confused.

You said “I don't really buy the "DIY and the local economy" argument and then qualified this by saying “there is some possibility of being refunded if flights don’t go ahead”.

The latter is obviously a benefit for the consumer but not the locals or the local economy, which was what the topic was.
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Post by: Evertonendo on July 24, 2021, 06:12:36 PM
Yes very lucky, any kind of holiday this year will be a blessing as I know many people won’t be able to get away for one reason or another.

We’ve done 3 weeks a few times now and it still isn’t long enough.

We arrive 3rd August all being well.
Hopefully we’ll see you there  :D
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Post by: Lesley on July 24, 2021, 07:18:25 PM
Many years back I am talking mid 80' and 90's the tour operators and there were many back then had what is known as Guaranteed contracts so basically they (the owners) received a very small per bed income for the whole season so really guaranteed money. Empty or full. This was paid monthly so all owners had money to pay staff, suppliers, such as laundy, chemicals for pool, cleaners etc.
Then around the mid 2000's as a lot of the companies where eaten up by the larger companies contracts changed to what is now known as allotment. i.e the owners got paid a slightly better per bed price but only for the days they have guests.  These payments were made by the tour operators after guests departed so they received their money normally 60 days after the departing guests.
There were a few changes pre Covid when some UK tour operators paid again for a guarantee hotel but then they said the owners could only be exclusive to them, so basically that they had to put their eggs in one basket.   Many suffered when Thomas Cook went bust.....
Now going on from Covid situation, the owners all have allotment contracts so again will only get paid for the guests they have received, and will again receive their payment normally 60 days again after departure of guests.  The difference now is they can also offer guests to book directly and stop sales on the Tour opertors if they have their own rooms booked. however for cash flow being the 2nd Covid season it means that suppliers such as staff, laundry, chemicals for pool will also all have to wait for their money - so you can see the chain forming.
I hope I have explained that as simply as possible.......

I would also add thank you Jimbo for mentioning Corfu Selections - a hobby which has grown even more so since Covvd and offers everyone around the world a chance to visit NW Corfu. I have had so far this Summer guests from UK, Poland, Spain, Holland and Belgium as the market has to open as unfortunetaly if the present situation reemains we can no longer rely on our very welcomed UK visitors. The idea came after leaving Thomas Cook when again the larger operators dropped small friendly units such as the like of Manos had previously, lovely accommodtion but didn't make commercial sense for back then mosty brouchres that needed to be published so why not support our local owners. Hence my website Corfu selections was formed, I also now have one just dedicated to San Stefanos which is San Stefanos Apartments.  The power of the Internet - whom would have known.......

Of course we now have lots of bed bank sites such as Bookings and others.  But I focus on Arillas and Agios Stefanos and know all the owners personally and as I work up at Vicky's many pop by to see me too. 

So as the originall debate Independant V Tour Operator it is down to each person to decide, as we need the major operators however it is great we can also offer now the choice for those with operators to also book directly as well. And other accommodation the big boys don't want can be offered too in this new digital world......
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Post by: Karen on July 24, 2021, 08:14:20 PM
Thank you. Lesley, for your post, it all makes perfect sense. I think we've always felt more secure with package, but seriously looking at independent, especially in San Stef, because we are confident that we would be looked after, if there were a problem. :)
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Post by: BAJ on July 24, 2021, 08:27:28 PM
Yes, very informative Lesley, thank you. By the way are you at Vickys most days? Will pop up for a drink one day next week. Brian and Amanda
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Post by: Lesley on July 24, 2021, 08:29:54 PM
Thank you just hope i tried to explain the travel market and espcially from the UK situation. It is down to what is viable and makes sence to anyone from wherever they fly from and not just UK....... economics and flexibiity and also choice of your favourite places to stay........
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Post by: Lesley on July 24, 2021, 08:32:19 PM
Yes all welcome over at Vickys' nomally there most days on reception exept Sunday (day off) to around 3-4pm ish depending on our Jet2 arrivals....bar is open 7 days per week though.  Hop 8) 8) 8) 8)e to catch up with anyone popping by.... Happy Holidays
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Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 25, 2021, 03:12:46 AM
TB our first visit to Fedra Mare on Monday and already have next year booked with them so hope we like it. Just the two of us so staying in one of the ground floor studios.

You'll love it there. IMO it's the best place in the village.
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Post by: BAJ on July 25, 2021, 04:08:01 AM
You'll love it there. IMO it's the best place in the village.
TB, I know the studios are not like the apartments with view etc but we spend very little time in our rooms, are they still ok though?
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Post by: Tredegar Boy on July 25, 2021, 12:03:35 PM
Stayed in both BAJ and the studios are fine. It's a class place and Dimi and Haritini are amazing.
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Post by: Jimbo on July 26, 2021, 08:24:23 PM
Very pleased to see that the first TUI Monday flight went from Doncaster this afternoon.

Also pleased to say a nice number of people on the beach at Mistral and Waves today :-)
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Post by: Lesley on July 26, 2021, 08:48:33 PM
Yes for sure more people around today which is good news for guests and suppliers.  Since Jet2 starting arriving from last Monday 19/07 you can see more people wandering around, still quieter than normal but nice to see more people generally around........
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Post by: Pat g on July 26, 2021, 08:51:22 PM
Doncaster flight just landed  Jimbo  5minutes early
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Post by: Karen on July 26, 2021, 09:13:02 PM
All sounds good!!
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Post by: Jimbo on July 27, 2021, 01:04:54 AM
Thanks, Pat. I watched it land on the airport webcam!

The airports', and consequently Flightradar24's, arrivals/departures systems take a few weeks to catch up. Doncaster showed the plane going but not coming back, and Corfu showed it arriving but not departing. Flightradar24 had it scheduled, but not with it's flight number, so didn't show it departing. I managed to catch it just north of Durres on the Albanian coast, so I had the aircraft call-sign (G-FDZD) and you can put this into the search box. So it didn't vanish out of the known universe as the timetables indicated.

All part of the fun. Not so much fun for a Scottish woman, who was very happy posting on the Nafsika Facebook page that she'd just booked to stay there with her daughter in August. A few hours later she reported that TUI had cancelled it, claiming that it was because of government travel advice. That's obvious cobblers, because TUI has sent loads of planes to Greece today. I think the technical term is "bums on seats".
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Post by: Scottygirl on July 27, 2021, 12:31:08 PM
Glad I changed my booking from TUI to Jet2 for august flying from Edinburgh as so far so good for 5th august 🤞🤞
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Post by: David A on July 27, 2021, 02:23:42 PM
Glad I changed my booking from TUI to Jet2 for august flying from Edinburgh as so far so good for 5th august 🤞🤞
Good to know, but can I be nosey and ask what tests etc you have to take, or certificates you have to provide in order to fly out from and return to Scotland? I'm double-jabbed but holding back from booking a Jet 2 flight mid September until things become clearer. Fine chance of that happening soon!
Title: Re: Flights actually arriving
Post by: Evertonendo on July 27, 2021, 03:28:04 PM
TUI normally have 3 Friday flights from Manchester but they seem to have condensed them into one early flight.
It appears to have gone OK last week so hoping they dont pull it at the last minute  ::)
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Post by: Jimbo on July 27, 2021, 03:54:53 PM
TUI really need to get their act together. If they told people that their flights might have to be limited, but they would certainly fly x or y on day z, then people could make an informed choice. Just arbitrarily chopping and changing results in total lack of confidence. Booking are obviously pretty low, but we all understand honesty. Accepting a booking one day and cancelling it a day or two later is not justifiable. We are not a lottery.
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Post by: D@G on July 27, 2021, 06:03:50 PM
TUI really need to get their act together. If they told people that their flights might have to be limited, but they would certainly fly x or y on day z, then people could make an informed choice. Just arbitrarily chopping and changing results in total lack of confidence. Booking are obviously pretty low, but we all understand honesty. Accepting a booking one day and cancelling it a day or two later is not justifiable. We are not a lottery.

That’s it exactly. I think we all understand the need to be flexible with travel these days and consolidating the flights isn’t a problem, aslong as customers are given enough time to search other options. Communication is key and TUI have really dropped the ball with it this year.
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Post by: Scottygirl on July 28, 2021, 05:14:44 AM
Glad I changed my booking from TUI to Jet2 for august flying from Edinburgh as so far so good for 5th august 🤞🤞


Well that was short lived. Yes it’s 2.10am Scottish time and I can’t sleep as Jet2 just cancelled flights from Edinburgh/Scotland for 5th August!!!!!! Why they allowed us to check in and encourage buying tests is beyond belief. !!! Will be contacting them tomorrow for some sort of explanation.
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Post by: Scottygirl on July 28, 2021, 05:21:19 AM
Good to know, but can I be nosey and ask what tests etc you have to take, or certificates you have to provide in order to fly out from and return to Scotland? I'm double-jabbed but holding back from booking a Jet 2 flight mid September until things become clearer. Fine chance of that happening soon!



Hi please read my current thread on this !  Tried to find out today before our flights were cancelled on tests etc!!  Went to two different  pharmacies and neither of them knew what to do, both referred me to Scottish government website which tells you nothing !!! Ridiculous. We travelled last September to SS in the middle of all this with no problems and yet this year the Scottish government are making it impossible.
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Post by: geordieborn2 on July 28, 2021, 12:46:18 PM
Not too sure what information you are missing/looking for, but this Scottish site (https://www.gov.scot/publications/coronavirus-covid-19-international-travel-quarantine/pages/red-amber-and-green-list-countries/) does seem to have details. Jet2 also have details of where you can get tests. I would have thought most travel companies would have such.
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Post by: Jimbo on July 28, 2021, 02:35:13 PM
So it's not just TUI that are cancelling. Bookings must be pretty dreadful. But I think that last year, and earlier this year, a lot of people shifted their booking to September.
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Post by: David A on July 28, 2021, 03:19:23 PM

Well that was short lived. Yes it’s 2.10am Scottish time and I can’t sleep as Jet2 just cancelled flights from Edinburgh/Scotland for 5th August!!!!!! Why they allowed us to check in and encourage buying tests is beyond belief. !!! Will be contacting them tomorrow for some sort of explanation.
That's horrible news, very sorry to hear that.
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Post by: geordieborn2 on July 28, 2021, 03:50:14 PM
That's horrible news, very sorry to hear that.


It is bad news, they at least give us 2 months notice earlier in the year. Hopefully their refund process has not went backwards as well. The process was very easy, nothing like the Ryanair debacle we had.